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2004-3-1, 22:28
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These are things I found that were not mentioned (or not fully explained/potentially confusing) in S.W. Carter's Walk-through.
He used 1.16 on normal difficulty, and I used 1.25 on easy difficulty (the only real difference in difficulty levels seems to be how tough the enemies are). So some of these things might not work (or work differently) in some versions of the game. Art of Remedy costs gold, not mana points. It is also double what a blacksmith charges. It sounds like this may get fixed in a future patch (it still exists in 1.28). Fame (and completing quests/dialogs correctly) is not the only requirement for stuff. Charm, savvy, and experience level are also sometimes requirements. So far I haven't found any reason to get charm over 50 (although I usually get Fu Su up to 100 eventually just in case there is something that requires that much), and no reason to get savvy over 100. As you increase in experience levels, the experience points from battling monsters goes down, which makes investing in savvy somewhat redundant. Example: A wolf in Zhaocun Village in Chapter 1 gives 38 experience points when at experience level 1 and 2, but only 34 points when at experience level 3 (with only Fu Su in your group). Wolves in other areas and chapters may give more experience, but they are also a little harder to kill. You'll want to get savvy up to 60, so you can just wear the Gongbu sword to bring Savvy to 100 when you need it for some large bonuses towards the end of the game. If you don't want to, you don't have to invest anything into savvy, because during the game you can find some books that give you permanent savvy bonuses and then just wear savvy gear (like the Gongbu sword) to get you the 100 savvy you need. Charm decreases what shops charge you for stuff, but not what they pay you for your stuff. So it only comes into effect when making purchases. It is also the average charm of all your party members (so it doesn't matter who is doing the buying). If you want to be really tedious you could temporarily dismiss low-charm members out of your party to save money when making large purchases. AFAIK, there is only one place where you really want charm, but just getting the 'Book of Songs' makes you meet those requirements (if you used it on Fu Su). A couple minor errors in his list of locations, most notably where you can add new members (03.01.00). Sky-scraping wood is of the water element. For the gem, East China Sea Stone, the levels of it are 1, 4, 6, 8. The 1.16 “%d” cost forging bug, that is mentioned several times, doesn’t seem to exist in 1.25 or 1.28, so you shouldn’t have any troubles making things with one exception (rope and hook if using 1.25). To make the rope and hook, you need to put 3 tendons in, then have the 4th tendon in your hand/cursor, then select 'make item' (while still holding the 4th tendon) then go to the list of items you can make, just like if you were to start making a new item (without bringing the rope and hook out of the box yet and with the tendon still in your hand/cursor),and then the rope and hook will automatically go into your storage. If you do this wrong, it will be stuck because it asks you to name the item or add a gem (which you can't). Save the game before trying to make it!! This works fine in 1.28, because the requirements was dropped to 3 tendons instead of 4 (there is only 3 boxes to put tendons in). You only need 1 skill point in forging to make mission items (blacksmiths can’t make them for you), but of course with higher forging skills you can make better equipment (to use, or to sell for more gold). For the unique items: Master Guigi Zi Shield, it should be +30% attack power, not defense power. Meteor Crossbow also has +40% Shoot Rate. Pan Gu Gigantic Axe, the deadly strike frequency is concealed (earth element). Tai'e Sword has a bonus to metal attack (of 9 when I played). Chapter 1 ---------- 1. His map showed Beidi Courier Station being connected to the North Suburbs of Xianyang, which isn't correct. 2. You can reach Hanzhong Prefecture in Chapter 1. 3. There are 2 ways to get the official document and the 500 experience points. The other way is to go to Wu Qi in Yanman Pass if you have Kong Gang in your party (and you aren't currently holding the other document or got it yet). You can still attack Wu Qi later for extra experience, unlike the courier. 4. The walk-through mentions that you can get a leather coat for free in chapter 2. In Sanchuan Prefecture, I get notification that I got a leather coat, but it is a common leather robe and can't be used for the servant quest in Xianyang. 5. When doing Modu's quest, when you talked to the PM, you can say "..but there is only two of us?" and he will offer 2 escorts that will follow you in your fight against Touman (you need to talk to them to activate them to follow you). You control them like you do wolves that your muscleman can summon. 6. It can be worth coming back to the Hun Barracks to open the locked chests (if you came here the first time without an assassin). One of them always contains 2 'antlers of a young stag' (+100% HP, +100% MP) 7. When you doing the quest for Ming'r and the old man, after you returned to the old man and find Ming’r gone, you can find him in the southwest in the abandoned woodhouse. Take a look at him and then question Ming’r about what he was doing and he’ll say he lost a baby knife and will let you keep it if you find it. At that moment a jar appears which you can bust open for a level 3 assassin sword. You’ll end up telling Ming’r the scarf is being repaired, so you don’t need to talk to the old man if you don’t want to, until you bring the scarf back. 8. When you are accepting the Xianyang servant quest (search for a leather coat), if you first hesitate to help him (after originally asking him what the problem is), he will increase the offer from 2000 gold to 2500 gold, but then not give you the amber. So you'll have to choose if you want 500 gold or a gem. Note: If you make a leather coat and one of your spell casters is wearing the leather coat you got from the merchant in Yanman Pass, then temporarily drop the coat you want to keep, otherwise the servant may take the good coat instead of your hand-made one, leaving your wizard/witch with no coat! 9. In a house (south of the western inn or south of Ming‘r-there are trees that sort of block the view of the door for the house) is a citizen who says you can stay there and tells you not to move anything. If you do rummage through his stuff you find a dagger (a real cheap weapon) and if you talk to him again (while holding the dagger) he yells at you that you are a thief and you are attacked by 3 Qin's army soldiers (useful for experience and items, not sure if there is any other game-play effect). You can’t kill the citizen. 10. This only gives you a journal entry, but...Ren Wuyou (standing outside the western inn)will ask you a question. The answer is 'Grain' and then "I'll teach someone else...". 11. The puppet that you learn how to make can be substituted for a 'toy' you need in chapter 2. The toy is rather easy to get, so don't bother making the puppet. I guess it is useful to know this if there is ever a bug involved in getting the toy. Chapter 2 ---- 1. There is some sort of trigger for the razing of Zhaocun Village, but I dont' know what it is. I've triggered chapter 2 and not had the razing happen (so I couldn't get Zhao Qian). The only time I had the razing not happen is when I didn't do any of the quests in Zhaocun Village. If you do all of the quests then you shouldn't have any trouble at all getting the razing to happen. 2. For Ah Lan's quest in Yongxian County, the trigger for getting the sword isn't fame, but you need to trigger chapter 4. (I guess fame might be an additional requirement, but I had 54 fame and couldn't get the sword until I triggered chapter 4). 3. After you bring the trap to the hunter in Hanzhong Prefecture (in chapter 3), if you leave the area and then come back and talk to him again, he will say how great the trap was and give you a cloud-pine shield he found. I’m not sure if not reminding him to pay you is an additional requirement. 4. The wandering blacksmith in Hanzhong Prefecture won't do business with you until you have at least 50 charm (which shouldn't be a problem at all if you got the 'book of songs' in Xianyang and used it on Fu Su). 5. Don't bother making the spades. You can get them for free later on. 6. In Yingchuan, when doing the wooden sword quest you should scare the boy instead of persuading him. In 1.25 and 1.28 (and probably earlier versions) there is a bug where the wisdom bonus is only temporary. It dissappears whenever wisdom is recalculated (putting on wisdom gear or adding wisdom points to your attributes), or sometimes when you save and load. It sounds like this may get fixed in a future patch. 7. 30 fame is needed to get Zhang Liang to join your party. 8. In Peixian county, all of the options of how to find out where Liu Bang is requires you to either talk to the citizen in the southwest, or the citizen in the northwest (tell him you are from Xianyang). The citizen in the southwest is for most/all of them and is the most important one. 9. When talking to Bang's wife here are the options: -..Liu Bang’s friend -------..Troops trying to arrest him 1500 experience -------..Soldiers that Liu Bang wants to rebel.. ------------Have to go 2000 experience ------------Rest easy….he will be fine 2000 experience -My friend wants me to meet him -------..Time of his return 2000 experience -------..how can he leave for a long journey.. ------------Then goodbye, (nothing, just go back and talk to her again) ------------I don’t think.. 1500 experience. Just choose any option that gives you 2000 experience, they all work. Then when going outside to talk to his son, ask him why he wants a wooden sword for 1500 experience points. Note: In 1.25 and 1.28 (and possibly all versions), before talking to Bang's wife, you can talk to Xiahou Ying and go through the options to get the 1500 experience points, but then choose 'thanks for the wine' when that option first comes up (so you don't learn where Liu Bang is yet) and the option involving Bang's wife and son is still available for all those experience points. 10. If you used the Fan Kuai method of learning Bang's whereabouts, you will get a quest to warn Liu Bang of the rebels after him. When you do talk to Liu Bang again (after the cut-scene), you can remember to tell him of the rebels and get 2000 experience points. 11. The requirement for fighting Xu Wu is experience level 20. 12. In Dangshan Mountain after talking to Liu Bang, Xiao He does serve a purpose. Go to the north of the tent and talk to a rebel soldier (he will be there regardless if you attacked the other rebels before or not), and find out about a story involving Liu Bang killing a snake “Incarnation of god?..”. Then talk to Xiao He and say “I don’t think so...more complicated than that.” for +2 wisdom. 13. In Taishan Mountain, After buying the first jug of wine, remember that the innkeeper said he had 3 jugs, so if you want you could buy 2 more jugs by talking to the innkeeper, with the 3rd jug costing 80 gold. I haven't found any use for these extra jugs though, so it is probably a waste of money. And no, the jugs can’t be substituted for the wine jug you needed for the quest involving Ping'r in Xianyang in Chapter 1. Although they do like alike, it doesn’t work, because I tried that. 14. When you have the option to either finish killing the old beggar at Taishan Mountain or letting him live, if you let him live you can get a different ending to the game (the ending involves Xu Fu). 15. If you attack and kill Wu Xin’s apprentice in the warehouse at anytime he will drop some ‘spades’ (shovel), which saves you from having to make them yourself. You could also get the spades peacefully after you’ve taken on the quest to find the water source and triggered the cut-scene in the cave where you realize you will need some tools. I think I prefer to kill him, since he does nothing but complain anyways  "My master's sword is completed. I got nothing. I'm not happy about it!"- Apprentice If you attack Wu Xin’s apprentice in the firewood room, you LOSE 5 fame!! You can’t kill the apprentice in the house. 16. Qing Bu- This can happen in chapter 7. This happens after you have completed the ‘search for the missing heir of the Chu State’ in Xuecheng (see 06.08.03 for details). Technically, bringing the ogre head back to the boy is the trigger, but that is part of the ‘missing heir‘ quest. I’m not sure if there is any additional requirements. If it is fame, then 72 is enough. If it is experience, then level 50 is enough. When you talk to Qing Bu (after meeting the requirements) in chapter 7 (or later), he will tell you that Chen Sheng was killed by one of his wagoners, Zhuang Jia. After you agree to help kill Zhuang Jia, Qing Bu will follow you to find Zhuang Jia. Zhuang Jia (and some bandits) will then appear in the far southern part of the city (by the entrance to Hengshan City). After you kill Zhuang Jia, then Qing Bu will want to join your party. 17. I don't think Liu Kun serves any purpose. Liu Kun is in the credits, so I think they just used the developers names on a few NPCs. Chapter 3 ---- 1. ?? There are a couple of ways of getting the information from Tian Gang. One way is by telling him soldiers are after him and that he can take refuge with some bandits (the ones with Zhang Liang?). Tian Gang is gone by chapter 6 and doesn’t appear anywhere else as far as I know. He hints that you should give him half of the treasure you get from the tomb, but you can’t find him to give him the money. 2.?? The merchant (for the winter coat quest) will tell you that he won the sword ('100 Times Mould Falchion) from a Miao man in a bet. You will later meet that man who lost the sword (the Miao Warrior in Hejiang Village), but there doesn’t seem to be a way of offering to give the sword back to him. 3. In Hengshen Prefecture, the ransom amount is 100,000 not 10,000. Also, when looting the kidnapper's hut, don't miss one of the cabinets because it contains 10 piles of gold! 4. The kid you talk to for +1 charm also suffers from the 'disappearing bonus' bug. 5. You can reach Chengsha in Chapter 3. Chapter 4 ------------ 1. In Wuhua village you can explore the bedroom in the inn before spending the night and there is a chest in there. Don’t leave anything in the bedroom because it will be locked afterwards. (and so will the magistrate's office when you go to tell him who the murderer is). 2. When trying to solve the murder, when talking to Laifu (in the firewood room), you should observe him, then examine his injury, then tell him to change the bandage on his leg, then give him 200 gold for medicine to get 2000 experience points. 3. When talking to the entertainer in Wuhua, you can buy some of his vigor pills (green pills) before you question him about the hammer (if you talk to the entertainer before the citizen). They don't seem to serve any purpose (because his pills are a scam). 4. The 5 fame bonus for killing the tiger in Changsha (if you don't go to get the oranges) doesn't work in 1.25 and 1.28 or there is some trigger for it. I could never get it to work. I suspect it was a bug. Altogether you would have been getting 7 fame for killing 1 tiger. 5. Chengsha- Before you talk to Chen You, Yin Ge will be standing outside a house in the southern part of the city and you can chat with him about his thoughts on women (he disappears as soon as you get the quest from Chen You to find the deflowering thief). Talking to him doesn’t seem to do anything for game-play. You can reach Changsha in chapter 3, and it would make more sense to do so to understand the story more (but some fights will be easier by waiting until chapter 4 because you‘ll be stronger by then). This is because coming here from Hengshen City, you would be more likely to see Yin Ge before you talk to Chen You and so you get in on part of this mystery (why Yin Ge disappears as soon as the deflowering thief is mentioned clues you to the fact that he is guilty). 6. You can enter Lishan Mountain in chapter 4 if you come here before having the requirements for entering the tomb. Can't do anything but kill wolves and tigers, but you can enter this area. 7. In Cloud Valley- You should ignore Yan Jiang at first and go straight to Yin Zhu. Talk to her and ask why the natives hate the Qin people so much. Then say “..but you do not dislike Qin people..” for 500 experience points. She still won’t give you the gold pearl yet, so go back to Jiang and decide which method you will use. 8. Taishan Mountain-When you bring the holy wine to the beggar, give it to him right away for 500 experience. 9. When asking the beggar the questions, make sure you ask him to 'brief you on the local situation' before choosing 'how dare you deceive me', otherwise you won't find out about Wu Xin, so you won't get the quests or sword. 10. Tip: Try to stay near the inn, so you can hide inside the inn if your party gets too wounded. The beggar doesn’t seem to recover HP while you are inside the inn. Sometimes if you go into the inn at the same time some of your characters were sucked up in the wizard’s tornado (squall spell), they will repetitively be in a spinning state (unable to move, and it looks like they are break dancing), just save (while in the inn) and reload to get rid of that altered state. 11. When you go to Wu Xin, ultimately the 2 choices and results (eventually) are: Fight him-3 fame OR Help him make a new sword-2 fame, monster zhuyan parts, experience points, and the ghost fire dagger. The quest involving the search for the materials, etc. is unavailable if you fight him for the 3 fame. The trigger for this second quest happens after you step into one of his houses and then return to him (or the second apprentice you talk to-it should be the first apprentice, but the trigger doesn't happen until you LEAVE a house, not entering it). Remember, when you are doing the quest for the water source, you can either out-right kill the servant in the warehouse for some spades, or you can go into the cave, trigger the cutscene where you realize you need some tools, then come out and talk to the apprentice and he'll give you the spades peacefully. And don't kill the apprentice in the firewood room!!! 12. The 'superior silver mine' rock in Wuhua Village I dont' think does anything (but lose 2 fame for you). I think it's just something like the thing in Xianyang where the citizen calls you a thief if you take his dagger. (the dagger is 'unique' in that you will never find one unless you make one, but it is really just a hand-knife). The superior silver rock is just a high-grade silver rock named differently. 13. If you have Kun Pu in your group and go into Zong Da's house (after you had killed Zong Da), and walk towards the scarecrows you trigger a cut-scene and you rescue the people who had been turned into a scarecrow by Zong Da. Bonuses: 1. You get 10,000 experience points! 2. Then go into the 'civilian house' and talk to an old woman to get 200 gold (you freed her son). 3. Then talk to a female villager (wandering around in the center of town) and she will give you some double-spore mushrooms (you saved her elder brother). Final note: The chamber of Zong Da you won't be able to enter unless Kun Pu is in your group, so make sure you got everything in there before leaving it. Chapter 5 ---------- Having Jing Wuji in your group when entering the emperor's tomb triggers a cut-scene. Chapter 7 ---- 1. You wouldn't want to do this, but just so you know... Fengxian County- If you talk to He Ji at the inn first before talking to his wife, he will ask you to kill a woman for him and offer to pay you 5000 gold. You didn't know this, but it turns out the woman is his wife (who you will automatically kill if you had agreed to do it) and then He Ji will come into the house and accuse you cold-blooded murder (he set you up), so you will have to fight He Ji and some other people (but you get no reward). 2. In Xuecheng- In the backyard of the tavern (where you fought the guy dressed up as a tiger), there is a cave in the northern part of the area (trees and stuff sort of block the view of the entrance). The cave doesn’t work in chapter 7, but it does if you come back here in chapter 8 (or any later chapter). In the cave there is some monster paoxiaos, zhuyans, shanyi, and tigerfish with people names/nicknames (Ken, Sima Ping‘an, wonderland, blue-star, FLY, maniac, blue-bridge, fool, KING, Black Wood, Wind-forest Fire-mountain, Pig Iron, Da Di, Darkness, First-quarter Moon, Lin Xiao, Tian Zhen, The Eighth Nerve, Worm, and WALKER) and 11 treasure chests. Remember to save often, because a couple of the monsters can be pretty nasty. The area forks off at one point, but both ways meet up with each other again. At the end of the area (after going through a narrow corridor), you will find the 2 shanyis. Try to draw the first shanyi into the corridor so you only battle 1 shanyi at a time. One shanyi will drop the book ‘The Classics of Legalists’ (+30 savvy)! The area is called ‘popsoft den’ and you get a TON of experience points if you can kill all the monsters. Chapter 8 --------- You get a different cut-scene if you have Li You in your group (when talking to his father in the prison of Xianyang). Chapter 9 --- When leaving Julu and you are confronted by the rebels, you can avoid the fight if you say “sorry, you must be mistaken” when they ask you if you are Zi Qin. But if you do fight, then you can return to the rebel camp and kill all the rebels if you want. Chapter 11 ---------- If you have Yin Zhu in your group you will get a cut-scene when entering Epang Palace. Remaining unknows: ------------------- 1. The man gifted in making riddles in Yongxian County. He never does anything. Maybe he really is gifted. He is the ultimate riddle (it can't be solved). 2. Cave that doesn't work in Hanzhong Prefecture. 3. Caves that don't work in Julu (before chapter 9 when the rebel camp shows up). 4. The depressed woman in Zhaocun Village (does she ever serve any purpose?). 5. House in the Hun Barracks. 6. House in the southern part of Wuhua village. 7. Can you ever save Huan Feng? Depends on how you look at it I guess. You can't save him during the game from what I can tell (and there doesn't seem to be any sound files for such an event so there isn't a cut-scene). But I get the impression that if you have Zhao Qian in your group, she stops him from impaling himself on Fu Su's sword, and he decides to stay alive because he realizes that the curse might be cureable. Then at some point later (after the game finishes) you take him to Maio territory and find a wizard to cure him. Until the game finishes it would be too much trouble to try to get him out of the prison, but after Xianyang is captured by the rebels (and Zhao Gao is dead) it wouldn't be. [ 03-09-2004, 02:47 AM: Message edited by: Bamspeedy ] 
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2005-6-2, 14:12
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Some corrections and additions for version 1.30
Charm does increase the selling price of items. However, it often does not recalculate the new price until you switch a piece of equipment (that has a charm bonus) from one character to another. When you are buying stuff, the new charm is calculated just by taking stuff on or off, but selling, you need to switch the gear to somebody else. The benefits are small (fractions of a percent), so charm isn't that great and will only be a benefit if you invest in it early, so it will pay off over the course of the whole game. With only Fu Su in your group: 40 charm he can buy a wheat cake for 135 gold 45=128 50=122 55=117 60=113 65=109 70=106 75=103 80=101 85=99 90=97 95=95 100=93 105=92 110=90 As you can see, adding a little bit of charm helps (1% per point), but after a while, really is not worth it (1/2 % or less per point). Those are the results of just Fu Su in your group. If you have 5 party members then adding 10 charm points to one member, the amount of the benefit (gold saved) would only be 1/5 of the results above, since it is the average of all party members. So 10 points to one character would change the price by .2 or .1%. Not really worth it. If you acquire Liao Yi while at experience level 2 (only getting the 500 points from the official document, for example), Liao Yi will have one extra skill point. I believe the razing of Zhaocun Village is whether or not you talked to (and was healed by) Zhao Qian. It does make sense. After getting the bonuses from saving the Woodsman and Hunter in Zhaocun Village, you can attack them if you want. The man gifted in making riddles in Yongxian County has been deleted. The 'dissappearing bonus' bug from the wooden sword quest in Yingchuan and the kid in Hengshan City has been fixed, so those charm and wisdom bonuses will stay. In Peixian County after accepting the quest to get a wooden sword you can buy one from the peddler in the city. You can negotiate the price down to 60 gold (from 100, and then 80) if you navigate the conversation correctly. In Hengshan City, the ransom really is 10,000 gold, but someone you talk to says it is 100,000. [ 06-02-2005, 03:31 PM: Message edited by: bamspeedy1975 ]
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2006-10-18, 11:49
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A couple other minor things.
1. In paradise when talking to Guigu Zi the option for "Recall the tactics from the book The Art of War by Sun Bin" requires that you had gotten that book from the Crown Prince's Residence in Xianyang. (and I assume that you may have had to used it also, but perhaps the cutscene from getting the Will is the trigger). 2. You can't play chess with Guigu Zi if your Wisdom is not higher than 25. 3. Tian Yuelin does not have one of the first two skills in early versions of the game (she can't shoot bows or can't use a sword, I can't remember). In my last game played on 1.30 she did have all the skills, so this was either fixed in a patch or there was some bug where this only happens occassionally. 4. You can't enter any of the caves in Zhaocun Village (in chapter 2) until you talk to the Village head (and accept his quest). 5. Before fighting the beggar in Taishan Mountain, save the game (a hard save instead of quick saving where you might save over it during the fight while resting inside the tavern). Once in awhile when you ran into the tavern and then come back out, the beggar will be stuck on a roof top and you won't be able to talk to him once you've damaged him enough.
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